Thursday, June 12, 2008

Bush Rebuked on Gitmo Detainees' Rights

Flash from the NYT:

WASHINGTON — Foreign terrorism suspects held at the Guantánamo Bay naval base in Cuba have constitutional rights to challenge their detention there in United States courts, the Supreme Court ruled, 5 to 4, on Thursday in a historic decision on the balance between personal liberties and national security.

“The laws and Constitution are designed to survive, and remain in force, in extraordinary times,” Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote for the court.

I've got to go read the entire article and at least the syllabus (summary) of the decision, but this looks really good. All people, not just those who happen to be born under the American Flag, should have the same legals rights, no matter who they are or what they might have done. This goes a long way to redressing a shameful statement the Bush Administration made, that some people have no rights at all. That is un-American, and un-Christian to boot.

RFSJ

8 comments:

Troglodyteus said...

Perhaps the first step will be to bring all of our troops home. Each and every one of them. From everywhere. Allied nations. Embasseys. Consolates. You name it.

RFSJ said...

What does that have to do with the human rights that all people have?

RFSJ

Troglodyteus said...

It is a reasonable first step in acknowledging that all men are endowed with certain unalienable rights.

RFSJ said...

Trog,

I'm not getting what you're saying here. I'm saying the SC got it right in their interpretation that even noncitizens have the right to habeus corpus. You suggested bringing all the US troops from overseas. How are the two related?

RFSJ

Troglodyteus said...

You wrote, "All people, not just those who happen to be born under the American Flag, should have the same legals rights, no matter who they are or what they might have done."

Don’t you think that part of every man’s unalienable rights is the right not to have foreign troops stationed in their country? It’s a beginning. After all, the military is the reason that the SC decided that their ruling was needed.

RFSJ said...

Trog,

If you're suggesting extedning the US Bill of Rights to all people erverywhere, then I'm all for it. If the DofI means anything, the phrase "all men are endowed by their Creator" means what it says. Either we all have inalienable rights, or none of us do.

RFSJ

Troglodyteus said...

I am not suggesting anything of the kind. You are.

After bringing home the armed forces we should place all them in the Ready Reserve. The cost savings could be dispersed to the populace based upon an inverse ratio of income to the amount disbursed.

Step two would be to eliminate all foreign aid. This would extend the right of taking care of yourself to everyone, regardless of nationality. I believe that this falls in that life liberty and the pursuit of happiness area. The total amount of foreign aid could be disbursed under the above ration as domestic aid.

RFSJ said...

Sure you are. The Third Amendment provides: "No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law. "

It's right in the Bill of Rights. I didn't bring up quartering of tropps, you did. And it's right there as Amendment III. I figured you were going fruther than I am in recognizing the inherent rights of all people. Or do I have that wrong?

RFSJ